Tips for new or aspiring CW Ops

Discussion in 'Straight Keys - CW Enthusiasts' started by W9RAC, Oct 9, 2021.

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  1. WZ7U

    WZ7U Ham Member QRZ Page

    My cw mentor back in the 20th century told me BKTU was the preferred way to hand it back in qso.

    No? I want to get it right ya know!
     
  2. KB1CKT

    KB1CKT Ham Member QRZ Page

     
  3. W9RAC

    W9RAC Platinum Subscriber Platinum Subscriber QRZ Page

    Tips regarding the handling of those pesty mistakes while sending for new learners. While learning Morse its generally taught than when you make a mistake sending it is erased by sending eight dits. As you may imagine as a new CW Op. sending eight dits every time you make a mistake becomes a total barrage of dits during a conversation. After all you are going to make mistakes, we all do. So given that fact it is normal during conversational CW to erase the deed by using two or three dits out of sync. They are sent out of timing so as to alert the other Op. that you have messed up and saving them from having to endure countless groups of 8 dits. Once that signal has been given to the other Op. start the entire word over. Do not just correct the letters/numbers, start the word over. Trying to copy a conversation head copy or even with a pen and pad becomes difficult at best and sometimes impossible for the receiving Op. otherwise. Making the mistake is not nearly as bad as what you do about it. So if I were to mess up on the word "thunderstorm" and sent thunderh, I would stop and send dit,,dit,,dit then send it correctly from the start. This is stuff you can learn so when you get on the air doing some rag chew you will know how its handled. Hope it helps, 73 Rich
     
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  4. PU2OZT

    PU2OZT Ham Member QRZ Page

    And, as we all know, for longer or complicated words, it's also considerate to add

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    Oliver
     
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  5. K5TSK

    K5TSK Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Time for an OOT comment, maybe. Does one go by the old rules or does one follow advice from an elmer, right or wrong. Perhaps, imitate what you heard on a QRQ ragchew?
    Try to imitate guys you admire on CW, but who use shortcuts? I can't remember the last time I actually sent a proper 8 dit error indicator, but if you did that a few times, it might cause you to get off the air and actually practice. 73.
     
  6. W9RAC

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    Well first I do not know what OOT is? However I do know that I have been a more than a few conversations with new guys who send the 8 dits which generally ends up being 7 or 9 but hey whos counting anyway? Common courteous practice during rag chew to correct it with the out of sync dits. For those of use who head copy thanks is advance. 73 Rich
     
  7. M6GYU

    M6GYU Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'm not sure how experienced your mentor was but I 'm not sure I've heard that over this side of the pond, nor with any NA operators.
    Best find your own method - listen listen & listen to operators having QSOs and hear what they do.

    The disadvantage and advantage with amateur radio is there are different ways of doing things and no one authorised method of procedure. For what its worth, my own opinion is that 'K' means you'd like a reply to what you've just sent. Its equivalent to "Over" in voice.
     
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  8. M6GYU

    M6GYU Ham Member QRZ Page

    Inspite, or is it despite, the 8 or more dits being the universal 'approved' method by commercial and military operators, almost all ship operators I ever heard simply send a quick ditdit ditdit (I I )and did as you said by starting the whole word again.

    I do hear some operators simply sending the incorrectly sent letter/number again and continue - but I don't think thats as clear as starting the word again.
     
  9. W9RAC

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    For sure Dave about things maybe being different as to where you operate. Common here to send the dit,,dit or the like signaling a mistake and proceeding with resending the entire word or numbers. New guys might be confused on it since the 8 dits are taught, not used in rag chews. 73 Rich
     
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  10. K5TSK

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    Old Old Timer. It was an open question and I didn't mean to say that I qualify as such. My first on air code was done late 1959-early 60. That doesn't make me an expert, but when your elmers in jr. high novice class were WW2 radio ops, Navy vets from as far back as WW1, then your take on things is bound to be a little stricter than what you may hear today.
    I've listened an awful lot down through the years because my elmers taught it was a good way to learn. I've heard errors corrected the right way on CAN cw traffic nets, and QRQ guys who ignore and move on. Personally, I've done it several ways and I'm pretty sure the other guy knew I had messed up before I ever acknowledged it. The best way, in my opinion, is learn it the right way and know why it's so. Listen, listen, listen to what's going on on air.
    All I meant to say is, if a guy corrects properly and gets really tired of hearing the dits (which would predominate some QSOs). then he/she might take time to practice and send better before they get on air. Might solve some of the QLF complaints so common on QRZ. 73 to you Rich.
     
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