How to install Windows 11 on a PC without UEFI and TPM

Discussion in 'Computers, Hardware, and Operating Systems' started by KX4OM, Oct 7, 2021.

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  1. KK4NSF

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    wow... those must be some weak-ass, clunky XP machines. I've got an old Win98 machine that drives a Brother lazer printer, and produces great looking documents. USB ports have been available for decades, and so have USB port printers.... and drivers are easy to find. You are not forced to use a parrallel port printer with your XP machine unless you have one of the really cheapo boxes with no USB port.

    The thing about old machines is that they vary greatly. A single processor XP with a tiny amount of memory and no USB port is probably not up to modern standards, but a Win7 machine with I5 or I7 quad core processor on a good motherboard will still run with the best of the newer machines for any process used in a real-world office or ham-shack.

    Remember: there is virtually no gained functionality with Win10 or Win 11 over Win7 when you are talking about 99% of the tasks we all use. Sure, there is some "enhanced security" but for the most part Win10 and Win 11 do not give you any additional functionality or speed. Most of the changes are more geared toward enhancing Microsoft's strategic market postion by restriciting what software / hardware you can use; their onboing push toward subscription based software; their push toward "cloud" computing; and their exponential expansion of data gathering activities. These changes appear to be designed to benefit Microsoft, not the end-user.

    SO.... my postion about it all is to not participate in MS's BS. Instead, I'll stick with Linux for all of my office work and keep a single Win7 machine in my shack. Then when I decide Win7 is no longer viable, I'll ditch that box and go all Linux.
  2. KA9JLM

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  3. WA9SVD

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    99.44% of all Win XP machines were using the 32 bit version (the 64 bit version had problems, and poor support) which limited it to 4 GB memory; realistically, only 3.5 GB could be used. And there is a VAST difference between Win XP and Win 7.
    I don't know how YOU got a Win '98SE machine to work with USB; the ports are there, but don't support (or recognize) Flash memory or printers. (And don't get me started about Brother laser printers; one I had needed a new main board and fuser after 18 months, and less than one ream of paper; (500 pages) with the original starter toner still installed. I had an H-P laser that didn't need a fuser even after 27 years. I expect ANY printer to last AND FUNCTION for more than 18 months of very light use.)
    Yes, the XP boxes CAN be used with USB printers, but the new printers don't come with drivers for XP any more (nor does anti-virus/anti-malware) and other software, so their utility IS limited; and if you speak of "security," why trust off-brand drivers, which may be more prone to malware and and snooping and Tojans than even M$ drivers?

    I don't really disagree with you about M$ being more and more intrusive with each version (or even update) of Windows, or their push (SHOVE?) to doing things THEIR way. (I.e. cloud; subscription software, etc.)

    FWIW, I WOULD have been more than happy if MS had merely made XP secure, rather than changing the GUI, etc. etc. with each new version of Windoze. XP was actually pretty good, and I rarely had problems. But that doesn't make m$ money, or not as much as introducing a new version of Windoze.
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2021
  4. K8HIT

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    i5 or i7 is meaningless without specifying the associated generation. This is akin to walking into an auto parts store and asking for a part to a VW bug, and insisting the year of manufacture is irrelevant.

    Don't underestimate the importance of security improvements. There are numerous improvements in networking and processes through the generations of Windows.
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  5. WA9SVD

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    True, and INTEL has pushed four "generations" of their processors in the last three (and a half) years.:(:mad: At that rate, by the time Win 10 support ends in 2025, Win 11 probably won't support anything "older" than an i7-17000.:rolleyes: (Four years ago, the i7-7700 was considered the "top of the line.":( Now, it's almost "antique.")
  6. NG1H

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    I have found Win XP is pretty simple as long as the printer has a network port (almost universal nowadays among decent printers). Pretty much anything is backwards compatible to the LJ4 command set.

    Win 98 (or maybe it was just '95 - it's been a few years) was a little more difficult just because a lot of computers back then did not come with a network card. But as long as you can get it on your LAN it can also print to current printers.

    Now as to whether it is worth it for other reasons, you are right. The answer is usually no. If you want to run software that will not in current OSs (though that is pretty rare. You may need to try a few options but can usually get it to work) then running Win 9X/XP in a VM will do the job.
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  7. K6CLS

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    Yeah, I used to expect that too.

    Recycled a Canon printer a couple weeks ago. It wasn't 18 months old. A bunch of shitty plastic parts failed... After I replaced the ink cartridges for $70...

    Better to buy a new printer every few months! Except, there are none on the shelves these days. Grumble.
  8. KA9JLM

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    Windows 98 SE is still very useful.

    There are a lot of very good DOS tools on the System Disk that it creates.

    Some Android devices still use DOS 6 to Boot and get the party started. :)
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  9. KK4NSF

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    actually.... I'm surprised that person of your skill couldn't. The problem with Win98SE is simply one of drivers. With HP printers, the generic drivers often work, and if not there are a ton of sites with downloadable drivers. Since Win98 is used nowdays as a hobby air-gapped machine, the problem of trojan horses / spyware is not really an issue. XP is in an even better position, since there are more drivers available for it.

    As far as USB memory sticks go, that's a bit different since you are right in that the drivers are a bit harder to come by. Even so, my point is that old computers can still be quite viable, and you should not be limited to a dot matrix printer on your XP machine.
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  10. KA9JLM

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    Buy the extended warranty from WM and return them for replacement when the Ink runs out... :rolleyes:
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